Video: Zašto je Pernar iznenada otišao s mirne tribine o izbjeglicama iz Ogrizovića?

Video: Zašto je Pernar iznenada otišao s mirne tribine o izbjeglicama iz Ogrizovića?

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Kada ljudi opravdavaju kontinuirano i masovno ubijanje, mučenje, iskorištavanje i uzgoj ne-ljudskih životinja onda posežu za argumentom o posebnoj važnosti ljudskog života naspram svih ostalih života svjesnih i osjećajnih Zemljana. “Starovrstaše (starospecieisti) vide ne-ljude i ljude kao temeljno različite. Uobičajen izraz “svetost ljudskog života” prenosi njihov stav – ljudski život je osobit.” piše Joan Dunayer u svojoj knjizi “Specizam”. No zašto ta svetost ljudskog života očigledno pada u vodu kod mnogih starovrstaša kada su izbjeglice u pitanju?

Prema općoj teoriji o sistemima Ludwiga von Bertalanffya sustav koji je potpuno otvoren umire jednako kao i sustav koji je potpuno zatvoren, od najsitnijih sustava do onih najkrupnijih. Npr. stanica u ljudskom tijelu umire ako je potpuno otvorena, jednako kao i ako je potpuno zatvorena, te zato svojom membranom regulira razinu propusnosti kako bi živjela. Nije li slično i s državom? Ako bi država u potpunosti otvorila granice umrla bi jednako kao i kada bi potpuno zatvorila granice. Čak su i najtotalitarniji režimi održavali barem neku propusnost granice. Pitanje je kako se dogovoriti oko toga koliku propusnost granica želimo?

Nakon potonuća Titanika samo jedan čamac se vratio po utopljenike, ostali su se bojali da ih ljudi koji su u moru ne ugroze pa su sa sigurne udaljenosti promatrali njihovu muku i smrt. Nije li slično i s ljudskim izbjeglicama, a u konačnici i sa životinjama u klaonicama? Zašto se ne usudimo pomoći?

 

U utorak 26. 9. 2017. u knjižnici i čitaonici Bogdana Ogrizovića, Preradovićeva 5 (Cvjetni trg), u Zagrebu održana je 19. tribina ciklusa “Oslobođenje životinja” pod naslovom: “Pravo na slobodno kretanje i masovne selidbe“.

Gosti tribine bili su; saborski zastupnik Živog zida – Ivan Pernar, jedan od prvih veganskih aktivista u Hrvatskoj član inicijative “Oslobođenje životinja” – Šime Validžić, organizator Tabor Film Festivala i suosnivač udruge za brigu o izbjeglicama Are You Syrious – Luka Juranić, te profesor psihologije iz Isusovačke službe za izbjeglice – Dražen Klarić, prof., a moderator je bio autor i voditelj ciklusa – Robert Međugorac, prof.

Tijekom tribine bili su aktivni i slušatelji, tako da smo čuli i dosta komentara iz publike: Mato Kutlić – veganski aktivist i programer, Ivan TomićORaHMarijana Međugorac, prof. – veganska aktivistica i volonterka Are You Syrious, Vanja Jurilj, dipl. knjižničarka i dipl. komparatistica, Marija Šutina Kujundžić – direktorica Hrvatske udruge poslodavaca itd.

Tribina je mirno tekla, a onda je Luka Juranić rekao Pernaru da će napustiti tribinu ako mu još jednom upadne u riječ, na što je Pernar reagirao munjevito i odmah napustio knjižnicu.

 

Ovdje možete pogledati video koji ima 4,6 milujuna pregleda, a slikovito objašnjava problem migracijskijh politika.


Najava iduće, 20. tribine
utorak 24. 10. 2017.
19:00 – 20:30

KASTRACIJA I KONTROLA RAZMNOŽAVANJA DRUGIH VRSTA

Gosti:
Tatjana Zajec, dr. med. vet.
Ingeborg Bata, dr. med. vet.
Mato Kutlić
Gordan Nogić, prof.
Sandra Ilievski, instruktorica i savjetnica za ponašanje pasa,
službena primijenjena pseća etologistica (Certified Applied Canine Ethologist)

 

S lijeva na desno: Luka Nenad Juranić, Šime Validžić, Ivan Pernar, Dražen Klarić i Robert Međugorac

S lijeva na desno: Luka Nenad Juranić, Šime Validžić, Ivan Pernar, Dražen Klarić i Robert Međugorac

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  1. Prepametan si Roberte da bi ista na bolje promjenio u sebi i svjetu-NIKADA. Na voditelja lezi odgovornost! – Mogao si na 100 nacina zadrzat Pernara, jer je bio sjajan sugovornik!- Sjajan si govornik, ali B-E-Z elementarnog znanja! Ti si ziva enciklopedija! Naravno u encilopediji pise da je etika nauka o moralu i slicni kretenizmi, ali i cinjenice da je Watson ukrao rjec “vegan” od rjeci “vegetarijan”, izbacivsi sredinu. Ne pise da je McDonald, zbog biznisa… ENCIKLOPEDIJA NE ZNA MISLITI, NITI ODGOVORITI, STA JE ISTINA, PRAVDA, HUMANOST, DOBRO ILI ZLO. – NECE BORIT SE. PROTIV NEPRAVDE I ZLA !!! ENCIKLOPEDIJSKO “OGROMNO ZNANJE” JE HRPA GOVANA I NOBELOVACA, (SAMO 10% SU U REDU). ne grjesim nikada:- “Margaritas sante porkos”…. DOBRO JE, STO ZNAS SVE… ZATO NE SURADJUJES… komarac je u pitanju…

  2. ???tribinu pocines sa specizmom- “prava komaraca”, ako su izbeglice da im se pruzi pravna zastita, a ti ih tjeras, ako ti slete na nos da te pozdrave… kladim se, to su intelektualne masturbacije gornjom glavom:
    specizam je idiotizam

  3. TL;DR: Luka, Marija i Karolina lažu.

    Za one koji žele čitati i razmišljati:

    Roberte, gosti ti pričaju enormne količine gluposti. I mislim da to ne rade slučajno.

    EUROPOL podatke ne ubjavljuje u standardiziranom prikazu pa je analiza malo zahtjevnija od pukog pogleda na grafove, a i problematika je kompleksna.
    Činjenice bi moglu, vrlo ugrubo, posložiti ovako, a dodatni izvori samo pojačavaju moju tezu:

    – postojao je period u EU kada je terorističkih napada bilo znatno više, to je bilo prije nekoliko desetljeća, trend je bio vezan za osamostaljenja i, recimo, neku anarhističku i lijevu ideologiju
    – nakon početka famozno glupog i zlog rata protiv terora, broj napada se znatno smanjio
    – nakon početka masovnih migracija – koje nemaju DIREKTNE VEZE s ratom u Siriji – broj napada se povećava
    – broj islamističkih = jihadističkih napada je u znatnom porastu u odnosu na bilo koje doba, govorimo o EU

    https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/tesat2008_1.pdf

    https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/tesat2017.pdf

    Zanimljivo je pogledati zelenilo na dnu tablice, dakle islamistički obojane napade, kako su u porastu.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

    Ovdje su islamistički napadi prikazani crvenom bojom. Islamistički je bitno, ne zbog religije (koja jeste usko povezana s ovim ali nije predmetni problem) nego zbog toga što su skoro sve takozvane izbjeglice te ideologije. Podataka na tu temi isto ako ima neopisivo puno.

    http://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1300x1300r/2017-05/ter-we-isl-20170523.png

    Da ne spominjemo debilane poput “naravno da kad je rat prvo na sigurno područje šaljemo muške, da budu izvidnica i pripreme teren, jer je put u izbjeglištvo strašniji i opasniji od ISIS-a koji samo siluje i odsjeca glave i baca s nebodera i zaljeva otrovima i granatira za dobro jutro”. Bože, i nakon mjesec dana ne vjerujem koja količina gluposti je tu izrečena.

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